.:For Phans | By Phans:.

Log in

I forgot my password



Latest topics
» Favorite Character!
Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:18 am by PhantomoftheOperafan80

» Phavorite Phantom Philm
Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:15 am by PhantomoftheOperafan80

» NYPD said a police officer
Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:14 am by leofuner

» Protesters shut the
Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:13 am by leofuner

» Police captain arrested
Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:13 am by leofuner

» Demonstrators massed
Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:10 am by leofuner

» The Verizon skyscraper
Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:09 am by leofuner

» At least 300 people were
Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:09 am by leofuner

» The Gallery has been deleted, because it was staff-only
Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:33 am by leofuner

» The Gallery has been
Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:33 am by leofuner

»  --Cross Posted From The Portal
Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:32 am by leofuner

» Competition Instructions
Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:57 am by leofuner

» stone set on a band but
Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:56 am by leofuner

» So do you end
Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:56 am by leofuner

» Click here for the topic.
Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:51 am by leofuner


You are not connected. Please login or register

The Phantom of Manhattan

View previous topic View next topic Go down  Message [Page 1 of 1]

1 The Phantom of Manhattan on Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:00 pm

RedDeath

avatar
Main Phantom
Main Phantom
[color=red]Here's a thread in which to discuss Frederick Forsythe's "sequel" to the ALW POTO musial, The Phantom of Manhattan.
Although I did enjoy the way that the book was written, I am not a phan of the overall tone of the work. It was written as a series of diary entries, newspaper excerpts, etc. It is a much darker story than Susan Kay's Phantom.
I strongly dislike how, in the introduction, Forsythe explains how Gaston Leroux wrote his book and said the events were all true. Forsythe explains that it is dangerous to claim this, because it can decrease credulity. However, Forsythe claims that his own book is all true, and represents the facts that Leroux left out in his novel. Forsythe even corrects Leroux, saying things such as:
-The Persian was a minor character, whose accounts are false and lead the reader to believe Erik to be a monster, rather than a pitiable human soul. Instead, he believes that Mme Giry was more than a box attendant, but a ballet mistress who played a vital part in the story.
-That the Phantom had no name, and, even if he did, that he never gave it out. Even so, Forsythe, calls the Phantom Erik (and even uses the last name 'Mulheim', though he does not explain how he discovered this)!
-That Erik had a different history from what the conclusion of Leroux's novel explained. Forsythe believes that Erik was always in a circus, until Mme Giry rescued him. This of course refutes the Persian's narrative once again! Naturally, this also ruins the idea of Erik being an assassin in Persia, and makes one wonder about the origin of the Punjab Lasso. It also destroys the part in Mme Giry's tale of the musical where she says "they boasted that he had once built for the Shah of Persia... a maze of mirrors!" How could Erik have, if he was in a cage in a circus from early childhood?
-Other errors, mainly in the time period. One thing that I do agree with Forsythe upon is that, though Leroux hints at the novel taking place in 1881, he never comes forward and says so. He writes of the chandelier conveniently falling on the woman organized to take Mme Giry's place and says that the chandelier was 200,000 kilograms--this would have pulled the entire ceiling down (the real chandelier weighs, and always has, 7 tons). Another error is the idea of the lights going out and turning back on within seconds. In 1881, the lights would use gas globes, and creating darkness and reinstating light so fast would be impossible to do so quickly, unless the story did occur later in the 1800s.
Using Forsythe's logic, stating a fictional work is true if it is not is foolish. However, Forsythe claims that, while Leroux's work was based in truth, he was confused and erred in his writing. This does not sound like the work of the journalist which Leroux says he was! Even worse is Forsythe trying to rip apart Leroux's original novel! Leroux created the story! Without his novel, there would be no POTO! It enraged me to read Forsyth claim Leroux was a bad writer, and exalt himself and his work!
True, Leroux's novel was confusing, but it was still better than Forsyth's, which is a sequel to the ALW musical more than the original novel. Here are some spoilers from the novel.

Spoiler:
-It is explained that Chritine and Raoul have married, and remained in Paris, with Christine becoming a great singer and Raoul remaining an wealthy count. Erik, after escaping from the Opera House, has ran away to New York (Manhattan) with the help of Mme Giry. Once there, he employs himself as a clown at Coney Island freak shows, and, somehow, becomes the wealthiest man in the city! A tycoon! He assists in the creation of the Hammerstein Opera House, and manages to persuade Christine to come to NY to sing. She does, along with her son and husband. Once there, she is sucked in to Erik's insane games. It is discovered that her son, Pierre, is Erik's child, in a note sent to Erik by Mme Giry (apparently Raoul was shot in the groin in a duel and Mme Giry nursed him back to health). After several confusing incidents in which Erik tries to win back Christine (he sends her his music box, traps her in a new maze of mirrors where he talks to her), Erik gives Pierre an choice to make- stay with Raoul, his adopted father, or live with Erik, his true father. In a confused fight in a park at night, Christine is shot and killed, and Pierre decides to leave Raoul to go with Erik, simply because he is his real father! Erik and Pierre live out their lives, basking in their wealth. Pierre has several children, all of which become prominent characters in history. The novel mentions important historical figures, too-- important boxers, Teddy Roosevelt, the Hammersteins. I am just upset because Christine dies by Erik's own gun-- and Pierre goes with Erik, simply because he is his true father... And luring Christine back to him totally destroys the musical's ending, and Erik's redemption!

Lloyd Webber and Forsyth are friends, and Webber plans on making this book into a musical, rather than his older project Master and Margarita. It was confirmed in July that ALW had finished the score but, his cat had stepped on his keyboard and erased it all! However, in a recent video blog, ALW claimed that he is through with the new score and it is being read over by his companions who are working with him to produce this new musical...which will most likely be a dismal failure...
[color:877b=#ff0000:877b]Opinions?


_________________

Keeper of The Monkey Girl in 'Masquerade' [in ALW's musical], animated POTO chandelier, & JOJ's laugh
4/6/06:: The Day... The Music... Died. Crying or Very sad
View user profile http://xnecronomiconx.weebly.com

2 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:39 pm

EarlCarpenterFan

avatar
Lead Singer
Lead Singer
I still need to read this book.

But it should not be made into a musical. I hope its enough of a failure for it to not even open in the first place. (that sounds really evil doesn't it? Embarassed )

So I can't comment on the book itself but I find the title a bit silly and it puts me off reading it.


_________________
Rachel xxx
Keeper of Earl Carpenter's Music of the Night and Final Lair, and also Celia Graham's Think of me.
View user profile http://www.myspace.com/earlcarpenterfan

3 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:23 pm

RedDeath

avatar
Main Phantom
Main Phantom
EarlCarpenterFan wrote:I still need to read this book.

But it should not be made into a musical. I hope its enough of a failure for it to not even open in the first place. (that sounds really evil doesn't it? Embarassed )

So I can't comment on the book itself but I find the title a bit silly and it puts me off reading it.
Well, it isn't amazing, as you can clearly tell. I didn't like it at all. I mean
Spoiler:
Christine dies
. That was evil. Very evil. Cruel. Phan
And they better not allow the musical to go very far. I would cry until Andrew Lloyd Webber drowned.
Rose


_________________

Keeper of The Monkey Girl in 'Masquerade' [in ALW's musical], animated POTO chandelier, & JOJ's laugh
4/6/06:: The Day... The Music... Died. Crying or Very sad
View user profile http://xnecronomiconx.weebly.com

4 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:46 am

EarlCarpenterFan

avatar
Lead Singer
Lead Singer
RedDeath wrote:I mean
Spoiler:
Christine dies
. That was evil. Very evil. Cruel. Phan

That sounds interesting and I'd read it just for that.

I'm weird like that! Wink


_________________
Rachel xxx
Keeper of Earl Carpenter's Music of the Night and Final Lair, and also Celia Graham's Think of me.
View user profile http://www.myspace.com/earlcarpenterfan

5 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:25 am

RedDeath

avatar
Main Phantom
Main Phantom
I hated it. It was done so quickly... Poor poor Christine.


_________________

Keeper of The Monkey Girl in 'Masquerade' [in ALW's musical], animated POTO chandelier, & JOJ's laugh
4/6/06:: The Day... The Music... Died. Crying or Very sad
View user profile http://xnecronomiconx.weebly.com

6 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:17 am

Truly-Christine

avatar
Ballet Rat
Ballet Rat
So it's true? The sequel ALW is working on IS Forsyth's book? NOOOOOOO, that book was hidious and painted Erik as a rapist and his union with Christine not conscentual. This sucks! I will of course have to see it but there are much better works he could use as a sequel. Besides, isn't ALW musical simply too good to have a sequel? It can't be topped! *sad*

View user profile

7 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:15 pm

RedDeath

avatar
Main Phantom
Main Phantom
That's my view on things.
Forsythe wrote the book based on ALW's musical adaption using the ALW's POTO as a template. So, they coincide with one another. But, still, I would hate to see this become a reality


_________________

Keeper of The Monkey Girl in 'Masquerade' [in ALW's musical], animated POTO chandelier, & JOJ's laugh
4/6/06:: The Day... The Music... Died. Crying or Very sad
View user profile http://xnecronomiconx.weebly.com

8 the phantom of manhatan on Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:22 pm

operaghost666

avatar
Back Stage Pass
Back Stage Pass
i heard tha the play is nothing like what happens in the book i read it also it was ok it had alot of downfalls to it i dont know if its true but i hope it is if they did it like the book it would totaly suck



signd:O.G:punjab:

View user profile http://thephantomsopera.hqforums.net

9 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:03 am

DeformedErik

avatar
Scene Shifter
Scene Shifter
Frederick Forsyth is stupid for writing such a stupid book. I really don't want the musical to open. The Phantom of the Opera is fine the way it is.

O.G.
mask & rose

View user profile http://www.youtube.com/xxthephantomxx

10 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:15 pm

RedDeath

avatar
Main Phantom
Main Phantom
Let's try to tone down our anger.

The idea itself is essentially a good one, but, we are letting the fact that POTO may be closed down cloud our judgement.


_________________

Keeper of The Monkey Girl in 'Masquerade' [in ALW's musical], animated POTO chandelier, & JOJ's laugh
4/6/06:: The Day... The Music... Died. Crying or Very sad
View user profile http://xnecronomiconx.weebly.com

11 closed down ? on Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:33 pm

operaghost666

avatar
Back Stage Pass
Back Stage Pass
what do you mean by closed down like it is retireing and going off boradway for good? i heard it is supose to end some time in 2009 but if it gets closed down and replaced with a stupid play i would be so madd:x




signd:O.G Punjab

View user profile http://thephantomsopera.hqforums.net

12 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:12 pm

RedDeath

avatar
Main Phantom
Main Phantom
Yes, ALW admitted to wanting to close ALL POTO performances down world-wide if POM is put up on stage while POTO is still running, to decreased competition


_________________

Keeper of The Monkey Girl in 'Masquerade' [in ALW's musical], animated POTO chandelier, & JOJ's laugh
4/6/06:: The Day... The Music... Died. Crying or Very sad
View user profile http://xnecronomiconx.weebly.com

13 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:30 pm

phantom glider

avatar
Lead Singer
Lead Singer
WHAT!!!!!!! Shocked Crying or Very sad

View user profile

14 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:06 am

Viscountess duBois

avatar
Back Stage Pass
Back Stage Pass
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even if its still running?

View user profile http://twistedeveryway.freeforums.org

15 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:18 pm

RedDeath

avatar
Main Phantom
Main Phantom
Yes. It's only a thought on his part, though.

From what I hear, he can't actually do anything unless the R.U.G. allows it.


_________________

Keeper of The Monkey Girl in 'Masquerade' [in ALW's musical], animated POTO chandelier, & JOJ's laugh
4/6/06:: The Day... The Music... Died. Crying or Very sad
View user profile http://xnecronomiconx.weebly.com

16 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:21 am

Thephantomkitty

avatar
Auditioner
Auditioner
now that i acually want to see it and read it so i can see how it was thrown togeter ! and thanks for putting up some snippets of the plot!!! but it sounds like a dumb Mary-sue book Phan I would kill ALW with my own claws if i had them (lol i am not a cat though )
it would defenetley suck and whats worse , it would make people think "well that phantom guy is stupid and the movie was boring ! i watched the sequel and it was cheesy so LETS GO WATCH HANNAH MONTANNA WHO FARTS NOTHING BUT PINK AND GIRLY STUFF!" sorry -had to put in something to make her look bad for atleast once>?!

View user profile

17 Re: The Phantom of Manhattan on Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:41 pm

phantom glider

avatar
Lead Singer
Lead Singer
RedDeath wrote:Yes. It's only a thought on his part, though.

From what I hear, he can't actually do anything unless the R.U.G. allows it.

thank god!

View user profile

Sponsored content


View previous topic View next topic Back to top  Message [Page 1 of 1]

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum